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The Only Non-Middle Class Article on IMC
by When Will Anyone Think or Feel? Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 1:38 PM

Instead of helping the poor people of the Gulf Coast with the aftereffects of Katrina (and Bush and capitalism) If there were any revolutionaries or anrchists in the US they would teach the people how to organize, loot and fight!

The Only Non-Middle ...
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Looney Left, Anarchist Lies, Stan GOff


- The Impossiblity of Debate



There are many who will continue to fight against all odds. Because for us, it is personal. If nothing else, we will go down fighting. That's a lot to ask of someone - asking them to fight a losing battle.

Is it funny that people not only won't fight in the US - They won't debate or read and it even appears that they are afraid to think!!!


An Intro to Real Resistance

(Required reading for those who want to learn to think!)


The news letter that Craig Rosenbraugh put out:

Resistance, covered the territory well. In general, people who do sabotage are serious revolutionaries.


Their communiqués may not always sound so direct, but that is usually because: they are trying to recruit; they fear greater criminal charges for revolutionary acts; or they still remotely believe in the efficacy of PR media (swaying the hapless masses)


But make no mistake: the stakes are high and severe. Only the complete destruction of every aspect of American culture, values and institutions stands any chance of salvaging this tattered and abused planet.



The USA (Not Bush!) is the model and the source of inspiration for most of the evils across the planet: Greed, trade, global warming, the arms trade, the drug trade, nuclear weapons, the sex industry and slave trade, and the kind of thinking and education that breeds an insidious lack of empathy or even awareness of the impacts of US insanities.
This model (USA) must be pulverized and erased from history: by whatever means are necessary.



Analyzing 'The Movement': In defense of polarization
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/323767.shtml

At every public event I have attended for the last two years - all of them being related to opposing the war - I have invariably run into someone speaking with a thoughtful, sensitive, reasonable inflection about the need to "reach out to the other side" and help stop the polarization that is creeping into American society. And I have had to practice my best diplomacy to respond... because if I said what I want to say how I want to say it every time I hear this bullshit, I would look like a bully.


People who adopt hese "reasonable" tones are often skilled passive-aggressives who could easily make anyone who opposes them look like a bully. I suspect they also often have agendas. (Just like most journalists and so-called progressive politicians!)


Let me say now with no equivocation, I endorse polarization. Deep, wide, disruptive, knock-down-drag-out polarization. That's what social upheaval looks like, and upheaval is exactly what we need.”



Stan Goff goes on to bash Tom Hayden and pretty mush all of the organized lefty groups in the USA…


[Slight aside:

Bravo... Bravo Stan… but you could say quite bit more of the truth – if you wanted to – Why Not??? Why don't you speak-out for people to organize and to prepare and take advantage of natural and other disasters to sieze power, rationalize looting and create new mosels of resistance ???

Why - Or WHY DOESN"T SOMEONE DISCUSS THIS -

Many of us tried to do this befoire and after the LA riots - Politicize the gangs, organize the communities and evovle a new strategy and a whole new view of what revolution is and could be ... END ASIDE ]



“Enter Tom Hayden with his "proposal" for disengagement in Iraq. The logic is - antiwar Congresspeople cannot advance their agenda without an alternative to the fake "exit strategies" of the right. Of course, this is just another Moveon proposal. Nothing unilateral about it, and no demand for immediate withdrawal. Moreover, it depends on actions taken by Iraqis that the US will ultimately have no control over unless it is coercive. This plan is no less racist in its implications than the Republican myth of democracy-implants. It still calls for outsiders (including possibly the CIA!) to broker the withdrawal and oversee the "reconciliation" of those troublesome brown people. Sorry, Tom. This is bullshit. Just because you ask for guarantees of no permanent US bases and no preferential US contracts does not erase the fact that you have taken self-determination off the board and are attempting to redirect the demand (yet unmet!) for a political decision to leave into a policy debate.”




Elsewhere Stan says:


“Persuasion doesn’t bring down the beast. Bleeding does. The US withdrawal from Iraq will be one of the biggest victories for genuine people’s movements, here and abroad, since the US was forced out of Vietnam.”



[Response:

Sorry but the US wasn’t forced out of Vietnam, the war had served its purpose and the Empire had learned new ways of fighting (economics) and had practiced enough on counter-insurgency and trained a huge cadre of blood thirsty mass killers…

it was but time for a pause….] ( END RESPONSE )




OR as another commenter said:

“bring down the beast” ?


The only harm to the beast will be increased international opprobrium, and we already know how much the current beast cares about that, which is not a whit. Nevertheless, I and countless other gray-haired grannies would be happy to put ourselves on the front line, suffer beatings, imprisonment, and all the rest, IF we believed that our sacrifice would result in changing not just the mask but the real face, eyes and heart of the United States for the better. Can you make us believe? Because if you can’t, we will just go on quietly living our lives as liberals, trying politely to help others be happy who otherwise might suffer, and indulging in cafe latte when it suits us.( Comment by m.c. — 8/21/2005 @ 8:55 pm)



[ response:: SECONDLY – at least sixty percent of US people still support the war… or they support staying there until the job is done

– THE USA WILL NEVER LEAVE IRAQ unless it is for a much bigger war – Arabia or Pakistan. ]

(END RESPONSE)




A wise commentator left this on Stan’s website: http://stangoff.com/index.php?p=175

I am afraid that you are painting yourself into a marginalized corner in spite of your profound insight and admirable dedication to stopping the empire. (I would say that fewer than one out of ten of those of the center and left of center even comprehend the idea of empire.)

…More and more people seem to be tuning into John Kaminsky and some other writers and bloggers. Perhaps meeting with them for a strategy session would make some sense.” (Comment by the burningman — 8/21/2005 @ 12:21 pm)


Perhaps a real debate – the first in western history could come of this – but no one really wants it because a real debate always ends up advocating violence – and nobody has the guts or will to do anything rea in the US or Europe – or way too few do anyway.



ASSINGMENT NUMBER II - -

FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO LEARN TO THINK!



Read the thoughts of three anarchists who are either in prison or served lengthy sentences… If you can't listen to how bad things are - and how much all of you reading this are to blame - then why don't you just reguster Republican and stop pretending that you care at all....





Definitive Anarchist Strategy for End Times



TO THE CIVIL SOCIETY, TO THE ANARCHIC COMRADES, TO THE GREENS, REDS, BLACKS, TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING OR NOTHING, TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT INTERESTED AT ALL IN WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THEM, TO EVERYONE WHO IS AWARE OF A CHANGING COURSE IN HISTORY :


This war against the USA and its mandarins of capital is more difficult than people imagine. It is not a hobby or a game to resist the greatest fascist power in history – ask veterans of the French Resistance who fought a puny and confused Nazi machine.


We must have a clear vision of the strategic goal: The complete disintegration of all things related to the USA – its culture, institutions and mindset. The USA is the model for spreading greed globally and so we must focus on it. There are plenty of USA targets all over the world.


As a rallying cry and non-negotiable demand let us call for the elimination of the top ten percent of the richest people in the USA and EU. This is an idea and causa beli that most people can relate to. Besides, the rich are free to give away their money if they chose to.



Escalation is inevitable and desirable because unfortunately it is necessary!


Many people are concerned about terrorism on an international level. The reality, for this moment, is the US are the global gendarmerie and terrorists, as the only great world power left. Which means it is the worst thing on earth. And according to our perception—as anarchists—the state, all the states and all the governments are antisocial, terrorist mechanisms, since they have organized armies, police, and hired torturers.


States like Venezuela, Cuba or Iran may prove to be allies of the anarchists, but the likelihood is distant. None can deny that they are the enemy of our enemy.


The people in the western world- including many so-called anarchists - have swallowed a gigantic lie about the arguments used to frame the world situation: two weights and two measures. For example, the US provides weapons, financing and intelligence for nearly every dictatorial regime all over the world for 100 years. In Greece, as well as in, Latin America, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Peru.... This is terrorism. Terrorism is to arm dictators, to arm death squads in Argentina or in Colombia in order to kill people of the left, citizens, revolutionaries. Those who equip the death squads to torture, those are the terrorists: like the CIA and the School of Americas; like Dick Cheney and George Bush – but also all of the people who vote for them or acquiesce to their global reign of terror.


Terrorism is when they bombard Yugoslavia for ten days, killing civilians.... the US is the one which pronounces who is terrorist and who isn’t. Its State Department issues official directions, advising Greece about who is a terrorist. In this period of time, it places pressure on the Greek state to make an anti-terrorist law, a model of law which will criminalize those who fight, making laws more draconian than those already existing. This is terrorism.


The revolutionaries and militants are not terrorists. The terrorists are the states themselves. But with this accusation, with this stigmatizing, all the states and governments try to criminalize the social revolutionaries and militants inside their countries—the internal social enemy. In fact, the state, "justice" and the police face democracy also as this kind of terrorist enemy. Anyone who challenges the state or these anti-terror policies becomes an internal social enemy. That’s the way the state sees it.


To oppose what exists we have social revolution: by any means necessary. It is generally proven that never did any changes happen, never did humanity meet any progress—progress as the poor people conceive it—through begging, praying or with mere words.


The social elite, the mandarins of capital, the bureaucrats, all these useless and parasitic people—who should disappear from the proscenium of history—will never quit their privileges through a civilized discussion, through persuasion. You can’t have a discussion with this kind of people... or their supporters. They must all go!


The politicians say that those who go into the streets and cause disturbances when the US or UK invade some defenseless country are tramps and that these tramps do not represent democracy, rather they claim that the elected politicians represent the democratic choices of the people, which means those who lie to get elected, those who are well paid. They are the true democrats.


We must reverse that. Popular sovereignty is when molotovs and stones are thrown at the police, when state cars, banks, shopping centers and luxury stores are burnt down. This is how the people react. History itself has proven that this is the way people react. This is popular sovereignty. When Maziotis goes and places a bomb in the Ministry of Industry and Development in solidarity with the struggle of the people in Strymonikos. This is the real popular sovereignty and not what the Constitution says.


Let us also commemorate all of the militants who have been murdered by the state.


To be anarchist, rebel and individualist: is to act at the point of terror. Make subversive associations, assault public buildings, steal and redistribute property. Live your life so that everything you are is incompatible with any way of life that the modern world offers. Reject the salary work, cooperation with authority and ownership (which always comes from exploitation).


Fight against the Gods of Capitalist Desire; against tourism in the snowfields of Val di Susa. Valle dAosta, Vail, Colorado; as well as the decadent resorts of the Cancun beaches in Mexico or in the CLUB MED villages, wherever they are located. Fight against any use of nuclear power as well as exaggerated use of the car. Be contrary and incompatible to any form of authority, from the judge who discharges or charges with a crime according to his whim, to the policeman doing his job, the head foreman and the schoolteacher.


In your civil, democratic society, founded on a hypocritical peace one cannot see a possible free space for anyone sane to live in. There is no place for dialogue with your majority that has meanly turned his/her back on real change for the sake of that shame which justifies every slaughter: THE PROGRESS !!


Do not recognize any power or authority to judge the rebel or the anarchist way of living.


What can WE do? Words cannot galvanize the masses. We can't make people fight back. We could write a guerilla manifesto on how to fight a successful revolution in the US. But would anyone act? Would anyone organize? Would any non-militants offer aid; offer to help put society back together? Would anyone open themselves up to the risk?


Would you?


Inaction is the price of privilege. Hypocrisy is the cost of comfort.

Even when WE take into consideration the brave attack cells out there fighting, (we know why they fight; in the depths of spirit we know and understand) still we believe that “We Have Lost.”


Those are the three words no one wants to hear.


The resistance is up to you. You can really organize bringing people together with the truth of this desperation. You can teach - not just your friends, but strangers. You can propagate the resistance with graffiti, stencils, flyers, squatting and guerrilla gardening. You can become a militant - a smart one who learns how to cause the most damage and get away to strike again, and again.


But what you can't do it sit on your ass and flap your gums about how messed up things are. Because if you know how bad it is and you do nothing, you are the reason we lost. And you insult and betray everyone who has fought back. You spit in the face of those who have given their lives or lost their freedom demanding something better.


If our international movement cannot mount an offensive that is more than just a spectacle, then we deserve our fate. AND ALL OF THE PRISONERS ROTTING IN JAILS FOR THEIR RESISTANCE DESERVE THEIR FATE for being foolish enough to believe we had a chance.


There are many who will continue to fight against all odds. Because for us, it is personal. If nothing else, we will go down fighting. That's a lot to ask of someone - asking them to fight a losing battle.

But ask it we must. If we are going down, let's go down swinging. Let's make it the toughest, hardest fought battle this system has ever faced. And if we lose, at least we will have made them earn it; at least we won't have just handed them the world. At least we will have made a stand.


There is no shame in losing a fight - if you fight. That's the only thing to expect of a decent human being - when they are pushed against a wall, they fight back.



Honor expects that of you.

Off your asses… off the rich!



Historical and Heuristic Notes:

This statement was produced by Jeff Leurs (USA), Nikos Maziotis (Greece), Silvano Pelisero (Italy) and Ramona Bolivara (at large).


To censor this article for any reason other than the torture of your family members is a crime much greater than anything Bush, Blair or Bertlusconi could imagine committing.

The timid and false anarchists and media stooges who manipulate and hierarchically control the alternative media will attempt to justify their noble crimes of censorship citing: “the elimination of the top ten percent of the richest people” or “off the rich!” The first can be done non-violently or through taxation, the second is a metaphor, and while metaphors are indeed dangerous they are in no way (or no anarchist way) cause for censorship.


The real reason these mandarins of the movement will censor this article is because it is true and it threatens their cozy little scam.

These are more words, like Jeff’s words “We have Lost” that no one (or not the censorship stooges) want to hear, print or accept!



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Five wHALE rIDERS cOULD sAVE THE pLANET
by People who still think Wednesday August 31, 2005 at 08:33 PM




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This war against the USA and its mandarins of capital is more difficult than people imagine. It is not a hobby or a game to resist the greatest fascist power in history – ask veterans of the French Resistance who fought a puny and confused Nazi machine.


If you don't think - You don't exist




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Saddly Treu - But It Shouldn't be
by When Will Anyone Think or Feel? Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 1:38 PM

Saddly Treu - But It...
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Imagine if the community organized and the women and children blocked the police/troops while the workers hit key facilities. Food and small appliance would be deliverd to many doorsteps and the big $ items warehoused - profitc distributed later - Trust through victory!

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There's a Serious Problem in the Black Community!
by There's a Serious Problem in the Black Commun Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 2:00 PM

not middle class, huh...gee, it strikes me as being utlimately white middle class "revolutionary" thinking.

you put on a rap song, maybe wear a doo rag and braid your blond hair, and you think what's happening in the black community is cool.
Well, it's not cool.
There's a problem there, and it's serious. and you are not the one who's going to be affected by it, and it's not helping to ignore the problem.
gun violence is the number one killer of blacks between the ages of 15 and 25.
(the number one!)
and as all those caskets of all those children are being lowered into the ground, you think it's just fine..after all, it's black culture.... and hey you're an anarchist, so put on another rap song, and eat your fried chicken...(or more likely, your soy-burger).
"hey bro, I'm cool".
Well, you may be...among your white friends...but the situation in the Black community is not cool.
it's a tragedy, and you're not helping by ignoring it..

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Amazing the bullshit people feel like submitting on IMCs
by Christian Roselund Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 2:25 PM

Does Stan Goff know that you are using his words in this context?

While some of us are using this site to find loved ones, to counter mainstream press disinformation, and to do what we can to help save lives in a disaster, you feel free to publish this annoying rant. May I remind you that people are going without food and water? They don't give a shit about your revolutionary bullshit.

There is a problem in the left in America- and it is people like you.

Get off your ass and do something useful. People are dying.

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pure middle-class
by paidí ó dubhshláine Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 2:35 PM

Pure middle-class rant loudly proclaiming itself the ONLY non m-c blah, blah, blah. Romanticises violence and terror (that's certainly new and has been SO effective in the past) as sad, atomised m-c "revolutionaries" have so often. "Politicize the gangs" etc., etc. Politicize yourself more like it. Community is the only way forward through and beyond capitalism (community as in communism - call it "anarcho-communism" if the c word gets stuck in your throat. )Guns and violence will not build lasting community. Query: did you want to be an army man when you were young too, or is this just a relatively recent desire?

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French Resistance Middle Class?
by CHomsky's Spit Saturday, Sep. 03, 2005 at 1:31 PM

"Pure middle-class rant loudly proclaiming itself the ONLY non m-c blah, blah, blah. "

... Romanticises violence and terror ..." So i guess the french ersistance were a bunch of irrational folks - They should of built community and just ignored the temporarliy cracy NAZIs - ? Huh -


Your whole perspective is so middle class that you cannot see it - Peace and community will solve - NOTHING - Probably never - But certainly never - until we get rid of the overlords -

romanatisize all you want - Action is what counts!!

First commenter says: "Politicize the gangs" etc., etc. Politicize yourself more like it. "

I ask what is political - is politics relevant in a world war ???


40 million people die a year so that people in the US can have cheap dog food - Even the Mayor of London has admitted this...

You say - "Guns and violence will not build lasting community."

I say tell me one example where any relvant change came without guns and bullets -



Query: did you want to be an army man when you were young too, or is this just a relatively recent desire?


Not a US army man - I was a draft dodger and a guerrilla - Still am....

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a guerilla - I am impressed!
by paidí ó dubhshláine Sunday, Sep. 04, 2005 at 2:05 AM

Oh dear, we are tough and revolutionary aren't we? And you call me "middle class", so, middle class I can't even see it. You cut me to the quick, "comrade". Whether you like it or not I am of the working class, born and raised, and still living it every day of the week. Change, both individual and collective (inseparable as they are) occurs every day, with and without guns. Change is of course inherently disruptive, not neccesarily violent. As for guns and all that romantic guerilla talk - ever consider having therapy to deal with your issues. Now that would be a "middle class" solution, wouldn't it? With indirect (family and friends) and direct experience of various wars and conflicts (Spanish Civil War, WW2 from both sides, Korea, struggle in North of Ireland ("the 6 counties" for the Irish Republican minded among ye)) I'm not just talking theoretically here. As a matter of fact Mr. Guerilla, I was on the street in Berlin, Haupstadt der DDR, in October 1989, my wife and I went through a hole in the Wall to vist Berlin (West) for the first time together. I'll stop now, since discussions like this are usually fairly pointless and I have to go do some middle class things now. My children Ernesto and Tanya ("la guerillera") Ó Dubhshláine send you revolutionary greetings.

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